| V |
I |
P |
| 2.28 |
1 |
2 |
| 2.94 |
10 |
29 |
| 3.00 |
15 |
45 |
| 3.06 |
20 |
61 |
| 3.11 |
25 |
78 |
| 3.15 |
30 |
95 |
Joule Thief circuit w/ Current Transformer ![]() Fig 6 Current Transformeer to measure Emitter (Collector) Current |
![]() Fig 7 Emitter Current Waveform |

By trying all the transistors some worked much better than others.
Modified Gummel-Poon BJT Parameters
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Joule Thief Ic |
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990 ma |
880 ma |
300 ma |
160 ma |
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name |
parameter |
units |
default |
example |
area |
ZTX1048 |
ZTX690B |
2N4401 |
2N2222 |
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1 |
IS |
transport saturation current |
A |
1.0e-16 |
1.0e-15 |
* |
2.6E-13 |
1.5E-12 |
26.03E-12 |
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2 |
BF |
ideal maximum forward beta |
- |
100 |
100 |
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4.292K |
200 |
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3 |
NF |
forward current emission coefficient |
- |
1.0 |
1 |
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1 |
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4 |
VAF |
forward Early voltage |
V |
infinite |
200 |
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60 |
90.7 |
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5 |
IKF |
corner for forward beta high current roll-off |
A |
infinite |
0.01 |
* |
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.2061 |
.3 |
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6 |
ISE |
B-E leakage saturation current |
A |
0 |
1.0e-13 |
* |
4E-13 |
26.03E-12 |
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7 |
NE |
B-E leakage emission coefficient |
- |
1.5 |
2 |
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1.38 |
1.37 |
1.244 |
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8 |
BR |
ideal maximum reverse beta |
- |
1 |
0.1 |
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300 |
123 |
1.01 |
3 |
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9 |
NR |
reverse current emission coefficient |
- |
1 |
1 |
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1 |
1 |
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10 |
VAR |
reverse Early voltage |
V |
infinite |
200 |
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15 |
14.5 |
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11 |
IKR |
corner for reverse beta high current roll-off |
A |
infinite |
0.01 |
* |
6 |
1 |
0 |
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12 |
ISC |
leakage saturation current |
A |
0 |
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8 |
1.6E-12 |
4E-13 |
0 |
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13 |
NC |
leakage emission coefficient |
- |
2 |
1.5 |
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1.4 |
1.34 |
2 |
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14 |
RB |
zero bias base resistance |
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0 |
100 |
* |
0.1 |
0.1 |
10 |
10 |
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15 |
IRB |
current where base resistance falls halfway to its min value |
A |
infinte |
0.1 |
* |
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16 |
RBM |
minimum base resistance at high currents |
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RB |
10 |
* |
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17 |
RE |
emitter resistance |
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0 |
1 |
* |
0.022 |
0.045 |
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1 |
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18 |
RC |
collector resistance |
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0 |
10 |
* |
0.010 |
0.027 |
.5 |
3 |
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19 |
CJE |
B-E zero-bias depletion capacitance |
F |
0 |
2pF |
* |
559.1E-12 |
250E-12 |
24.07E-12 |
25E-12 |
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20 |
VJE |
B-E built-in potential |
V |
0.75 |
0.6 |
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0.533 |
0.68 |
0.75 |
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21 |
MJE |
B-E junction exponential factor |
- |
0.33 |
0.33 |
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0.299 |
0.36 |
.3641 |
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22 |
TF |
ideal forward transit time |
sec |
0 |
0.1ns |
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600E-12 |
0.77E-9 |
466.5E-9 |
400E-12 |
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23 |
XTF |
coefficient for bias dependence of TF |
- |
0 |
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0 |
3 |
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24 |
VTF |
voltage describing VBC |
V |
infinite |
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0 |
2 |
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25 |
ITF |
high-current parameter |
A |
0 |
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* |
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0 |
1 |
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26 |
PTF |
excess phase at freq=1.0/(TF*2PI) Hz |
deg |
0 |
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27 |
CJC |
B-C zero-bias depletion capacitance |
F |
0 |
2pF |
* |
136E-12 |
59E-12 |
11.01E-12 |
8E-12 |
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28 |
VJC |
B-C built-in potential |
V |
0.75 |
0.5 |
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0.420 |
0.49 |
.75 |
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29 |
MJC |
B-C junction exponential factor |
- |
0.33 |
0.5 |
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0.267 |
0.36 |
.3763 |
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30 |
XCJC |
fraction of B-C depletion capacitance |
- |
1 |
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31 |
TR |
ideal reverse transit time |
sec |
0 |
10ns |
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3E-9 |
18E-9 |
233.7E-9 |
100E-9 |
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32 |
CJS |
zero-bias collector-substrate capacitance |
F |
0 |
2pF |
* |
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33 |
VJS |
substrate junction built-in potential |
V |
0.75 |
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34 |
MJS |
substrate junction exponential factor |
- |
0 |
0.5 |
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35 |
XTB |
forward and reverse beta |
- |
0 |
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1.4 |
1.5 |
1.5 |
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36 |
EG |
energy gap for temperature |
eV |
1.11 |
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1.11 |
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37 |
XTI |
temperature exponent for effect on IS |
- |
3 |
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3 |
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38 |
KF |
flicker-noise coefficient |
- |
0 |
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39 |
AF |
flicker-noise exponent |
- |
1 |
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40 |
FC |
coefficient for forward-bias |
- |
0.5 |
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.5 |
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41 |
TNOM |
Parameter measurement temperature |
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27 |
50 |
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Agilent has a 100+ page manual on the GP model.
12 May 2008 - Using the same Fair-Rite material 73
core (p/n 2673002402) and winding the primary with 22 AWG (13") you can
get 16 turns on in one layer.Fig 10 Joule Thief 16T:4T 17 mat ZTX609B Collector Voltage![]() |
Fig 11 16T:4T Collector Current![]() |


| I ma |
V volts |
P mw | Vspice volts |
| 1 |
2.3 | 2 | 2.7045 |
| 2 |
2.59 | 5 | 2.765 |
| 5 |
2.65 | 13 | 2.845 |
| 10 |
2.70 | 27 | 2.91 |
| 20 |
2.78 | 56 | 2.977 |
| 40 |
2.88 | 115 | 3.053 |
| 80 |
3.01 | 241 | 3.144 |
| 160 |
3.17 | 507 | 3.265 |
| 320 |
3.38 | 1081 | 3.448 |
Fig 13 5T-2T 28awg 73 mat 690B R1: 758 Ohms, Col volt![]() |
Fig 14 Collector Current![]() |

| 43 material 20T 29.6 kHz |
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| 43 material 30T 17 kHz Slow turn on, snappy turn off |
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| 43 material 52T 4.7kHz |
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| 73 material 57 Turns 3.2 kHz 38" 30 AWG 2.8 mH 0.36 Ohm This material must have a sharper corner on the B-H currve, it really snaps up. But when turning off it's slow. |
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| 14 Apr
2008 - stacked two of the 73 material cores and wound about 50 turns of
a wire pair , i.e. to make a 1:1 transformer to see what would be
different. |
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| With 3.6 V the LED is brightest. But at that high a voltage the PS is capable of driving the LED directly so this plot does not have much meaning. |
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| Dual 73 matereial cores 1.0 volt drive Collector waveform. voltage at top of waveform is 2.8 at bottom is 0.0 v timing same as base trace below. |
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| Dual 73 matereial cores 1.0 volt drive base waveform. Voltage at top of waveform is 718 mv at bottom peak is -1.6 voltage at right corner of neg pulse is -400 mv negative pulse is 122 us wide positive top is 322 us wide period is 444 us freq is 2.25 kHz |
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| Dual 73 core saturation test. Current displayed as voltage across 10 ohm. n.c. at center tap driving T1A-1 & T1B-2 (see Joule Thief sch above) Drive from HP 33120A set for 1 kHz, Square wave 20 volts pk-pk from 50 ohms. Loop resistance a little more than 60 ohms. top & bottom of waveform are +/- 166 ma. Trigger at left edge of scope. after switching from + to - the current has a linear ramp for 152 us then saturation lets the current jump to - 166 ma. The current just prior to saturation is about 1/2 square or 0.25 volts across 10 ohms or 0.025 Amps or 25 ma. about 100 turns so saturation is at about 2.5 Amp Turns. The inductance readings on the HP4332 don't look stable. Moving the meter away from the computer & monitor shows 6 mH center tap to either end, but no reading for the full winding. Resistance: 0.462, 0.463 & 0.925 Ohms |
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| Wound on 4 feet about 47 turns and added to the collector side so primary is about 50 T and secondary is about 97 T. |
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| Dual 73 mat 50T:97T Base 1 volt P.S. The left end of the top (intersection of H&V markers) is +650 mv and the right top is +743 mv. Width of the top is 672 us. The left bottom is - 6.3 mv and the right bottom is about +218 mv. Width of negative going pulse is 368 us. total period 1.04 ms, freq 961 Hz |
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| Dual 73 mat 50T:97TCollector 1 volt P.S. The top left point is +2.89 V sloping down to +2.53 V The bottom left is 0.0 volts ramping up to + 203 mv. |
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Theory of Operation - Joule ThiefIn the above collector waveform the LED voltage is the same as the collector voltage so the LED is on at the left edge.Starting in 1 3/4 squares where the collector voltage is zero the LED is off and the transistor is on hard with the current in the collector inductor linearly ramping up with a limiting value of (1.0 V - Vces)/ 0.977 Ohms (resistance of the 97 turn collector inductance). When Vc gets to about 0.2 volts the core saturates (5 squares in or after 672 us of ramping current. At this point the current in the core is (1.0 - 0.2) / .977 = 0.81 Amp so it's taking 0.81A * 97T = 79 Amp Turns to saturate. The energy in the magnetic field should be 0.5 * L * I ^2. Just prior to saturation the value of L would be about what it was when the current was zero and a number that's hard to measure with the HP 4332A (need the HP 4395A for this). When the core has saturated it can no longer contribute more magnetic field so the rate of increase slows down. This change in rate is what causes a voltage to appear in the other winding and turn off the transistor. The base voltage goes a little below zero volts. The transistor has been turned off so Ic = zero. As the magnetic filed colapses it supplies power to the LED. Just after saturation Vc is + 2.89, but 1.0 V of that is the power supply so the voltage across the coil is 2.89 - 1.0 = 1.89 Volts. The LED has a good heat sink so the values measured below are fairly close to what's happening in the circuit. The LED duty cycle is 368 us / (368 + 672) or 35% and the average current is about 37 ma for an overall average current of about 13 ma. When the LED is driven directly from the power supply at 13 ma DC the brightness is about the same as from the Joule Thief circuit with 1.0 V P.S.
The Amp Turns for saturation are not consistent in the above data. What happens to the magnetic field energy, coil inductance and coil current when the core saturates is not clear. |
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